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cliff deal. congressman mike kelly of >>> nbc news reports that house speaker john boehner made an impassioned plea tonight asking for his members to vote for his plan b fiscal cliff deal. congressman mike kelly of pennsylvania reportedly stood in front of the room and screamed at his colleagues for not supporting the speaker, but speaker boehner could not get the votes. more on this story when we come back on "the ed show." >>> coming up -- >>> coming up, howard dean will >>> welcome back to "the ed show." eventful last hour. no doubt about it. you're looking at tape of house republicans leaving a conference meeting earlier this evening, within the last hour. speaker john boehner didn't have the votes for his own plan b this evening. republican house leader eric cantor sent his members home tonight after leadership failed to pass a bill. keep in mind, both boehner and cantor spent all day saying that they had the votes. boehner introduced plan b to save face with his caucus after rejecting an of
cliff deal. congressman mike kelly of >>> nbc news reports that house speaker john boehner made an impassioned plea tonight asking for his members to vote for his plan b fiscal cliff deal. congressman mike kelly of pennsylvania reportedly stood in front of the room and screamed at his colleagues for not supporting the speaker, but speaker boehner could not get the votes. more on this story when we come back on "the ed show." >>> coming up -- >>> coming up,...
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insist any fiscal cliff deal includes a raising of the debt ceiling or they're going to say, we want the power to raise the debt ceiling. you know, i think that might actually end up being a big sticking point of the negotiation. >> understandably they see it as the biggest point of leverage. >> it also seems to me the tone is moving in the wrong direction. after the -- right after the election, there was a little bit of recrimination, a little like well, boehner sounded getting squishy and what's happened over the succession of weeks since then, as he's meeting with the caucus, there's a hardening. in terms of -- >> or a disbelief -- a disbelief -- >> comes out and says stuff like that, you read some of the local papers, these people rshs it. >> are telling their local paper we're in a bad negotiation position here. >> the problem is, had he's probably a guy that's going to -- boehner will still be dealing with after january 3rd. in the lame duck congress it's still the same congress and boehner still has to message to those people because he still has to gets the gavel back in janu
insist any fiscal cliff deal includes a raising of the debt ceiling or they're going to say, we want the power to raise the debt ceiling. you know, i think that might actually end up being a big sticking point of the negotiation. >> understandably they see it as the biggest point of leverage. >> it also seems to me the tone is moving in the wrong direction. after the -- right after the election, there was a little bit of recrimination, a little like well, boehner sounded getting...
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if you think about it, they have less than a week to get a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. not a lot of time. how did we get to this point? taking you back to last week, you remember john boehner tried to get that alternative bill through the house. his own bill. he didn't have the support to do it. it fell apart. now things are in the senate and it will be up to harry reid and mitch connell and the president to try to come to a compromise to avoid the tax hikes and spending cuts that go into effect on the first of the year. president obama had been working with house speaker john boehner and trying to get a big deal that dealt with tax reform and deficit reduction. that fell apart and talks have largely been stalled this entire time. there was a lost pressure to get something done. we have seen some of the impacts of the fiscal cliff. consumers saying they have been more cautious with their holiday spending because of the uncertainty in washington. economists warn it could get worse and the markets could be foiled if we go over the fiscal cliff. taxes will go up for the av
if you think about it, they have less than a week to get a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff. not a lot of time. how did we get to this point? taking you back to last week, you remember john boehner tried to get that alternative bill through the house. his own bill. he didn't have the support to do it. it fell apart. now things are in the senate and it will be up to harry reid and mitch connell and the president to try to come to a compromise to avoid the tax hikes and spending cuts that go into...
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. >> the clock ticks down to the so-called fiscal cliff. >> closer than ever going over the fiscal cliff. >> the fiscal cliff negotiations are going no where. >> president obama may not have gotten a fiscal cliff deal, but keeping up the media pressure this sunday morning with an interview op"meet the press." we'll take a look. >>> from the david petraeus scandal to the trayvon martin tragedy. the media's performance in 2012, we'll have a report card. i'm howard kurtz and this is "reliable sources." >>> it was a striking moment when david gregory brandished that high ammunition magazine last sunday so much so we played it on this program. but that braumpted a d.c. police whether he violated the city's gun laws, one controversy that they fuind under assault. and eric who blogs about the media for "washington post." simple question, eric, should david gregory be prosecuted? >> well, i think he should be investigated. i'll leave that up to the prosecutors. but i definitely do believe unlike greta van susstrn and unlike you. >> and the "wall street journal" page. >> it turns out the district
. >> the clock ticks down to the so-called fiscal cliff. >> closer than ever going over the fiscal cliff. >> the fiscal cliff negotiations are going no where. >> president obama may not have gotten a fiscal cliff deal, but keeping up the media pressure this sunday morning with an interview op"meet the press." we'll take a look. >>> from the david petraeus scandal to the trayvon martin tragedy. the media's performance in 2012, we'll have a report card....
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they're cheering, you know, the fact that there could be a fiscal cliff deal between democrats and republicans. look, we've got european markets close to year highs, the cac and dax at 52-week highs. this is more related to the expected aggressive monetary easing by the boj, but even the u.s. markets, the s&p 500 at a two-month high. >> i'm curious, we never really know how the fiscal cliff conversation plays out overseas. is it something that moves the needle in the markets in europe and asia? >> absolutely it does. given that, you know, in terms of european risk, everything pretty much done and dusted. we don't have much more european event risk until the end of the year, this is what we're focusing on. every morning when we get to work, we are watching the overnight comments from mr. obama and mr. boehner. that's why european markets have been trading higher the last two trading days because there is optimism that we will see a deal before the end of the year. >>> as always, why are you awake at this hour? shoot us an e-mail at waytooearly@msnbc. we'll read the best responses later in the s
they're cheering, you know, the fact that there could be a fiscal cliff deal between democrats and republicans. look, we've got european markets close to year highs, the cac and dax at 52-week highs. this is more related to the expected aggressive monetary easing by the boj, but even the u.s. markets, the s&p 500 at a two-month high. >> i'm curious, we never really know how the fiscal cliff conversation plays out overseas. is it something that moves the needle in the markets in europe...
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the reason donors are concerned that a fiscal cliff deal could limit the tax deduction on charitable giving in the future. >> good day to you. is that the reason? i think people are worried they won't know what the deduction listen next we're, so front-loading the deduction this year. hopefully it's my wish they don't reduce it at all. >> let's look at some of the numbers. each year 300 billion is given to charity and claim about 50 billion a year in tax deductions. so when you look at some of the numbers, a person making about $too,000, they can deduct 35%. if that were to go down to 28%, how much do you think that would impact giving? >> you know, the estimate is anywhere between 1 and 30 billi billion, depending on how the deduction goes, and even if it's eliminated. it's hard to predict. one of the important things is this deduction han in place since 1917, and no one has ever touched it before. so we have no data on what's going to happen, but i think the americans, three quarters of the americans are concerned it will reduce the money to charity. >>> you know, if the country do
the reason donors are concerned that a fiscal cliff deal could limit the tax deduction on charitable giving in the future. >> good day to you. is that the reason? i think people are worried they won't know what the deduction listen next we're, so front-loading the deduction this year. hopefully it's my wish they don't reduce it at all. >> let's look at some of the numbers. each year 300 billion is given to charity and claim about 50 billion a year in tax deductions. so when you look...
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tonight's question, in light of the president's remarks, will a fiscal cliff deal get done? text "a" for yes, text "b" for no to 622639 or go to our blog at ed.msnbc.com. i'll bring you the results later in the show. joining me now is sheldon whitehouse from rhode island. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> sir, this is serious, this is even dire. are you encouraged by the meeting today and the president's remarks in the aftermath of that meeting? >> well, i think that the decision to move the forum for the negotiations to the senate was a necessary one. i have a lot of confidence in harry reid's negotiating ability. mitch mcconnell is a veteran negotiator, and i think there's a far better prospect of something being worked out in the senate than there was dealing with speaker boehner and his completely dysfunctional house republican party. >> sure. well, abiding by convention and of course protocol, the senate won't return until sunday. will there be enough time for the senate leaders to really craft a deal that is substantiative and makes a difference,
tonight's question, in light of the president's remarks, will a fiscal cliff deal get done? text "a" for yes, text "b" for no to 622639 or go to our blog at ed.msnbc.com. i'll bring you the results later in the show. joining me now is sheldon whitehouse from rhode island. thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> sir, this is serious, this is even dire. are you encouraged by the meeting today and the president's remarks in the aftermath of that...
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cliff deal. the meeting began about an hour ago in what could be the final face-to-face meeting between the president and lawmakers of both parties before monday's midnight deadline. the house is scheduled to reconvene on sunday evening to do what we don't exactly know. so joining us live from the white house is nbc's kristin welker. kristin, welcome. >> reporter: thanks, karen. good afternoon. >> so what are we hearing about this meeting? i know it's still going on. any news? >> reporter: well, we do know this, a source familiar with these talks says that president obama is not going to be offering anything new during this afternoon's meeting. he's essentially going to be saying what he said at the white house last friday when he called on congress to put forth a package that would extend bush era tax cuts for those making $250,000 or less, extend unemployment insurance benefits, as well as stave off some of those deep spending cuts that are set to go into effect. the president is going to make
cliff deal. the meeting began about an hour ago in what could be the final face-to-face meeting between the president and lawmakers of both parties before monday's midnight deadline. the house is scheduled to reconvene on sunday evening to do what we don't exactly know. so joining us live from the white house is nbc's kristin welker. kristin, welcome. >> reporter: thanks, karen. good afternoon. >> so what are we hearing about this meeting? i know it's still going on. any news?...
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to deal with this fiscal cliff. >> just let the people's housework its will. instead of handing over the keys to the most extreme elements in the house republican caucus. >> a lot of people donnell realize he is blocking a vote in the house. >> i think in the end we'll get a deal. the question is the timing. >> i am hopeful there will be a deal that avoids the worst parts of the fiscal cliff. >> i want to bring you in and say good morning to sander levin. sir, it's good to have you with me. what is your expectations or thoughts about hear that the president and vice president joe biden are calling the four congressional leaders behind closed closed doors today. >> i am hopeful. i wouldn't say i'm optimistic, but i think confidence has gone down. i think the key is whether the speaker will be the speaker of the entire house and let the matters come before us where there could be a majority of democrats and perhaps a majority of republicans, but let es speak our will and act on our will. that's really one of the keys. i think if the senate bill or what was in it
to deal with this fiscal cliff. >> just let the people's housework its will. instead of handing over the keys to the most extreme elements in the house republican caucus. >> a lot of people donnell realize he is blocking a vote in the house. >> i think in the end we'll get a deal. the question is the timing. >> i am hopeful there will be a deal that avoids the worst parts of the fiscal cliff. >> i want to bring you in and say good morning to sander levin. sir, it's...
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incidentally, the same time frame necessary to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff. it's wednesday, december 12th, and this is "now." >>> joining me today, msnbc contributor and political editor and white house correspondent for the "huffington post," sam stein holding it down stag style. jane mayer from "the new yorker" is here. bbc world news america anchor and former traveling press secretary for the obama campaign jen socky. this is the speed of the fiscal cliff negotiations. blink and you just might miss exactly nothing. while talks between speaker boehner and president obama over the past three days have been shrouded in secrecy, we've learned there have been two offers put on the table. the white house sent boehner a proposal on monday calling for $1.4 trillion in tax revenue, $200 billion less than the original offer. might that seal the deal? >> the president's called for $1.4 trillion worth of revenue. that cannot pass the house or the senate. >> okay then. the speaker's office responded with a deal of its own. yesterday it included precisely the same amoun
incidentally, the same time frame necessary to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff. it's wednesday, december 12th, and this is "now." >>> joining me today, msnbc contributor and political editor and white house correspondent for the "huffington post," sam stein holding it down stag style. jane mayer from "the new yorker" is here. bbc world news america anchor and former traveling press secretary for the obama campaign jen socky. this is the speed of the...
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remish, you have written about the pessimistic view on the fiscal cliff negotiations. why don't you think a deal gets done? >> well, i just think the parties are too far apart. if president obama wants republicans to agree not only to allow the top tax rates to go up, but also put a new millionaire surtax, new stimulus funding, there's no way republicans do that without many entitlement reform. i think the democrats are prepared to allow, and that's why i just think that i agree with the congressman. i think that we are likely not to get a deal before the beginning of the year. >> but do you think it was a senator lindsey graham indicated there at the beginning, do you think it was a political calculation or is a political calculation on the part of the white house? >> well, i think there are political calculations being made by everybody in washington right now, but i don't think it's a secret that the democrats believe, in a lot of cases, that they have the upper hand in the p.r. war over this issue. >> perry, this is grover norquist just a few hours ago on "meet the
remish, you have written about the pessimistic view on the fiscal cliff negotiations. why don't you think a deal gets done? >> well, i just think the parties are too far apart. if president obama wants republicans to agree not only to allow the top tax rates to go up, but also put a new millionaire surtax, new stimulus funding, there's no way republicans do that without many entitlement reform. i think the democrats are prepared to allow, and that's why i just think that i agree with the...
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we're here today because there's no deal and we are hours away from the fiscal cliff. here with us now, republican senator from tennessee and member of the senate banking committee, senator bob corker. senator, thanks for being on the show. we appreciate it. >> good morning. >> robert gibbs was characterizing many republicans as 5-year-olds that will not eat their vegetables, and every time we try and get them to eat their vegetabl vegetables, they ask for a smaller and a smaller and a smaller pea and it gets down to one pea on a plate. is that fair? >> look, this whole thing's a national embarrassment. i think it's an embarrassment to the president, it's an embarrassment to both sides of the aisle and to both the house and the senate. >> how do we get out of it? >> well, first of all, i mean, whatever happens today is really inconsequential. it really doesn't matter. it's going to happen. we will have a solution, but as jeffrey was saying earlier, we still haven't moved any closer to solving our nation's problems. and so, now what will happen is this will be put off,
we're here today because there's no deal and we are hours away from the fiscal cliff. here with us now, republican senator from tennessee and member of the senate banking committee, senator bob corker. senator, thanks for being on the show. we appreciate it. >> good morning. >> robert gibbs was characterizing many republicans as 5-year-olds that will not eat their vegetables, and every time we try and get them to eat their vegetabl vegetables, they ask for a smaller and a smaller...
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is there the chance that that could be the trouble for the president or could a fiscal cliff deal on top of re-election get him any political capital to flex some political muscle? >> well, i hope it was the latter. i was at the white house when the republicans took down clinton's nominee. i watched as they took down senator tower who was to become the republican secretary of defense. both parties do this unfortunately after an election. the losing party almost seeming to want some sort of sacrificial lam out there. i hope this, that what this nation most wants is to have trust once again in washington, d.c. it's a part of the program down in washington that doesn't seem to be there. while i have great respect for senator mccain who threatened to filly buster this. i couldn't have done what he did as a prisoner of war. as a fellow naval officer. i would ask him accountability for the overall public good not the party. i hope that unless he can show with firmness that there is a fact, there is some sort of issue out there that really isn't a political assertion, a partisan issue, that
is there the chance that that could be the trouble for the president or could a fiscal cliff deal on top of re-election get him any political capital to flex some political muscle? >> well, i hope it was the latter. i was at the white house when the republicans took down clinton's nominee. i watched as they took down senator tower who was to become the republican secretary of defense. both parties do this unfortunately after an election. the losing party almost seeming to want some sort...
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cliff deal. congressman mike kelly of pennsylvania reportedly stood in front of the room and screamed at his colleagues for not supporting the speaker, but speaker boehner could not get the votes. more on this story when we come back on "the ed show." smart , a crash management system and the world's only tridion safety cell which can withstand over three and a half tons. small in size. big on safety. and one wedding, 2 kids, 43 bottles of olay total effects and many birthdays later, still looks amazing. thanks to the trusted performance of olay. >>> coming up, howard dean will weigh in on this historic failure by house republicans and speaker john boehner. stay tuned. you're watching "the ed show" on msnbc. we're right back. [ male announcer ] when it comes to the financial obstacles military families face, we understand. at usaa, we know military life is different. we've been there. that's why every bit of financial advice we offer is geared specifically to current and former military members a
cliff deal. congressman mike kelly of pennsylvania reportedly stood in front of the room and screamed at his colleagues for not supporting the speaker, but speaker boehner could not get the votes. more on this story when we come back on "the ed show." smart , a crash management system and the world's only tridion safety cell which can withstand over three and a half tons. small in size. big on safety. and one wedding, 2 kids, 43 bottles of olay total effects and many birthdays later,...
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a key democrat talks about medicare cuts that could be part of a fiscal cliff deal. we talk with maryland congressman chris van hollen. >> tom: i'm tom hudson. two hurricanes in two years for the northeast-- a region not used to big storms comes to terms with the cleanup and cost. >> susie: and it's green monday, one of the most popular days for online shoppers. we've got details.
a key democrat talks about medicare cuts that could be part of a fiscal cliff deal. we talk with maryland congressman chris van hollen. >> tom: i'm tom hudson. two hurricanes in two years for the northeast-- a region not used to big storms comes to terms with the cleanup and cost. >> susie: and it's green monday, one of the most popular days for online shoppers. we've got details.
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this is one of the problems that faces the fiscal cliff deal. a filibuster could arise. you and jessica were talking about that. the hope for any deal before january 1st is that somehow minority leader mitch mcconnell could convince his troops, convince the republicans not to block it with a filibuster. each individual senator makes up their own mind, each senator has the right to stage a filibuster. so that's not something he can control entirely. a bigger issue, though, i have to edadmit, when you look at senator mcconnell and why he's so important right now is that he needs to bring some republicans on board this deal for a couple reasons. first, they need those republican votes to get anything through the senate. and then second of all, speaker boehner needs some cover, he needs some way to convince republicans in the house that they should pass this deal. conservatives are putting pressure on all sides and republicans in the house want to be to say conservativings in the senate supported this. i can too for the good of the country even though i don't like it. these
this is one of the problems that faces the fiscal cliff deal. a filibuster could arise. you and jessica were talking about that. the hope for any deal before january 1st is that somehow minority leader mitch mcconnell could convince his troops, convince the republicans not to block it with a filibuster. each individual senator makes up their own mind, each senator has the right to stage a filibuster. so that's not something he can control entirely. a bigger issue, though, i have to edadmit,...
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cliff deal. congressman mike kelly of pennsylvania reportedly stood in front of the room and screamed at his colleagues for not supporting the speaker, but speaker boehner could not get the votes. more on this story when we come back on "the ed show." >>> coming up -- so, this board gives me rates for progressive direct and other car insurance companies? yes. but you're progressive, and they're them. yes. but they're here. yes. are you...? there? yes. no. are you them? i'm me. but those rates are for... them. so them are here. yes! you want to run through it again? no, i'm good. you got it? yes. rates for us and them -- now that's progressive. call or click today. you know, from our 4,000 television commercials. yep, there i am with flo. hoo-hoo! watch it! [chuckles] anyhoo, 3 million people switched to me last year, saving an average of $475. [sigh] it feels good to help people save... with great discounts like safe driver, multicar, and multipolicy. so call me today. you'll be glad you did. can
cliff deal. congressman mike kelly of pennsylvania reportedly stood in front of the room and screamed at his colleagues for not supporting the speaker, but speaker boehner could not get the votes. more on this story when we come back on "the ed show." >>> coming up -- so, this board gives me rates for progressive direct and other car insurance companies? yes. but you're progressive, and they're them. yes. but they're here. yes. are you...? there? yes. no. are you them? i'm...
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time is running out on a fiscal cliff deal, and republicans are running out of reasons to reject the president's plan. house speaker john boehner left capitol hill this evening and met with the president at the white house for nearly an hour. administration officials and boehner's spokespeople say that the meeting was frank. president obama earlier today spoke with minneapolis television station wcco and left no confusion about why talks are stalled. >> the big problem right now is that republicans in the house are resistant to the idea of the wealthiest americans paying higher tax rates. >> speaker boehner held his own news conference this afternoon. he was there to provide serious answers to questions about tax cuts, extensions to the middle class. >> will you permit a vote on a bill that -- if we go over the cliff, would you permit a vote to decouple that and then fight again on the debt ceiling? >> ifs, ands, and buts are like candy and nuts. pp if it were like that every day would be christmas. >> he sure sounds like a negotiator with answers like that. boehner also brought a vi
time is running out on a fiscal cliff deal, and republicans are running out of reasons to reject the president's plan. house speaker john boehner left capitol hill this evening and met with the president at the white house for nearly an hour. administration officials and boehner's spokespeople say that the meeting was frank. president obama earlier today spoke with minneapolis television station wcco and left no confusion about why talks are stalled. >> the big problem right now is that...
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just 30 hours remain before the country goes over the fiscal cliff, and we're still waiting for a deal. good evening. i'm chris jansing. the senate is going home for tonight. democratic and republican leaders had hoped to reach an agreement by 3:00 this afternoon. >> i was really glad to hear republicans have taken their demand for social security benefit cuts off the table. the truth is, it should never have been on the table to begin with. there's still significant distance between the two sides, but negotiations continue. there's still time left to reach an agreement, and we intend to continue negotiations. i ask unanimous content that the senate proceed tomorrow morning. >> earlier, they took to the floor to explain the setback in negotiations this morning. >> i'm concerned about the lack of urgency here. i think we all know we're running out of time. this is far too much at stake for political gamesmanship. the consequences of this are too high for the american people to be engaged in a political messaging campaign. i'm interested in getting a result here. >> this morning, we've b
just 30 hours remain before the country goes over the fiscal cliff, and we're still waiting for a deal. good evening. i'm chris jansing. the senate is going home for tonight. democratic and republican leaders had hoped to reach an agreement by 3:00 this afternoon. >> i was really glad to hear republicans have taken their demand for social security benefit cuts off the table. the truth is, it should never have been on the table to begin with. there's still significant distance between the...
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they have to come up with a deal on the fiscal cliff. and they're going to have to come up with revenues. just like the democrats are going to come up with spending cuts. the biggest challenge right now that the republicans have are not looking like the party of no. so they now have to look like they're ready to govern and that they're serious about it. second and probably on the heels of solving that problem will be serious immigration reform and not just the dream act. it will have to be a lot more comprehensive than that. >> richard as you may have read this past week there was a report that i was luking at "the wall street journal," that looked at the states and state legislatures and 46 of them, 46 of them are now controlled by one party or the other. so when you look at that as the background. is the country becoming more partisan? or is it coming together? >> you know, it's funny. when you talk to people in congress, richard, and you talk about the partisanship. what they say is it's not we who are in congress more partisan, it's
they have to come up with a deal on the fiscal cliff. and they're going to have to come up with revenues. just like the democrats are going to come up with spending cuts. the biggest challenge right now that the republicans have are not looking like the party of no. so they now have to look like they're ready to govern and that they're serious about it. second and probably on the heels of solving that problem will be serious immigration reform and not just the dream act. it will have to be a...
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. >> but, first, don't go looking up the chimney for a deal on the fiscal cliff. there are just eight days, that's it, until the deadline to reach a deal, and there was little progress as lawmakers left town for the holiday. before the president took off for his hawaiian vacation with his family on friday, he pressured kfshs to pass a smaller deal, to delay those automatic spending cuts and to extend tax cuts for all except for the wealthiest of americans. now, while senators on both sides of the aisle, they spoke in support of at least a smaller deal on sunday. joe lieberman seemed to have less hope. >> it's the first time that i feel that it's more likely that we will go over the cliff than not, and that if we allow that to happen, it will be the most colossal consequential act of congressional irresponsibility in a long time. maybe ever in american history because of the impact it will have on almost every american. >> kristen welker is nbc's white house correspondent, also traveling with the president in honolulu. kristen, explain to all of us because it appea
. >> but, first, don't go looking up the chimney for a deal on the fiscal cliff. there are just eight days, that's it, until the deadline to reach a deal, and there was little progress as lawmakers left town for the holiday. before the president took off for his hawaiian vacation with his family on friday, he pressured kfshs to pass a smaller deal, to delay those automatic spending cuts and to extend tax cuts for all except for the wealthiest of americans. now, while senators on both...
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. >> 30 hours to go until the country hits the fiscal cliff and still no deal. i'm melissa rayberger, and the white house has sent one of its top negotiators to capitol hill, but right now it's all centered on the senate, and as democrats dig in to protect social programs, republicans do the same on taxes. >> raising taxes to pay for new spending is not something that republicans believe this debate ought to be about. it ought to be about reducing the deficit and the debt, and what they are essentially suggesting is we want new taxes. we want higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> so what happens next? with us nbc news capitol hill correspondent mike vic rah and nbc news white house correspondent kristen welker. mike, let's get started with you. what's happening right now in the senate. i understand there's an update on the chained cpi. >> reporter: they say the darkest hour right before the dawn, melissa. everybody ought to hope that's true, at least if you don't want to see your taxes go up on midnight on monday and tuesday night be
. >> 30 hours to go until the country hits the fiscal cliff and still no deal. i'm melissa rayberger, and the white house has sent one of its top negotiators to capitol hill, but right now it's all centered on the senate, and as democrats dig in to protect social programs, republicans do the same on taxes. >> raising taxes to pay for new spending is not something that republicans believe this debate ought to be about. it ought to be about reducing the deficit and the debt, and what...
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cliff deal because it's unlikely that house republicans would allow these to appear freestanding. using these as leverage in terms of negotiation. house republicans could sleep fine knowing the payroll tax cut is not extended and the ui is not extended. they think that's too much spending. >> which is crazy because they're arguing for the top earners really putting their stake in the ground on top earners and when it comes to working class and poor tax cuts are a bad thing. >> the payroll tax cut there's a division between democrats about how much you want to raid the social security trust fund. but unemployment insurance, i think absolutely has to be part of the deal from the white house perspective aside from it fitting the democrat ex-ideology, it's also what president obama believes is a stimulus to the economy. >> yeah. >> that helps people have disposable income to go to restaurants, buy gas, buy food, to pay things for their children. and i would be very surprised if it ended up as part of the larger deal because it's not going to come in early spring. >> one of the things
cliff deal because it's unlikely that house republicans would allow these to appear freestanding. using these as leverage in terms of negotiation. house republicans could sleep fine knowing the payroll tax cut is not extended and the ui is not extended. they think that's too much spending. >> which is crazy because they're arguing for the top earners really putting their stake in the ground on top earners and when it comes to working class and poor tax cuts are a bad thing. >> the...
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with fiscal cliff, dealing with the debt, the pressure from the business community will be overwhelming you knuckle heads get your acts together that maybe that will offset an even more deeply divided house of representatives and senate for that matter. >> although, one could argue that, you know, there was that vote, that first t.a.r.p. vote against all of the conventional wisdom of the time about the importance of the t.a.r.p. vote, and if you have fewer people who are rooted in traditional politics or traditional economics, you may not have people joining this congress -- >> that's exactly right. >> willing to make deals. >> it could be -- it could require something in the markets like immediately after the t.a.r.p. vote and the 780 something point drop in the dow to focus minds and change behavior. it shouldn't -- we shouldn't need that, but my guess is, we could have a couple days in that general direction. >> we'll be joining you in new york charlie cook for our election coverage. thanks so much. chris cizilla, thanks to you. we'll see you later. >> thank you. >> meanwhile in stat
with fiscal cliff, dealing with the debt, the pressure from the business community will be overwhelming you knuckle heads get your acts together that maybe that will offset an even more deeply divided house of representatives and senate for that matter. >> although, one could argue that, you know, there was that vote, that first t.a.r.p. vote against all of the conventional wisdom of the time about the importance of the t.a.r.p. vote, and if you have fewer people who are rooted in...
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we are obviously certainly no further down the road to a f fiscal cliff deal. what's the latest and is this posturing, kelly, or is this real? i mean, is this disagreement about kind of laying out the stakes of where everybody stands and what they're willing to give or is it a possibility that we don't get a deal? >> reporter: well, you do hear rumblings, chris, about no deal. but at the same time people are saying there's still some negotiating time left and a bit of optimism. when you heard the tone of what was unfolding yesterday, it was kind of shocking to republicans who would say that the president's offer is so far from a negotiating point that they are surprised not so much that these are the positions that we're in because much has been the president's public rhetoric but in terms of real negotiating they say they were surprised this wasn't the kind of offer that would have happened some weeks ago, meaning right after the election if you want to start there. but now with just four weeks to go they felt the president needed to move further. democrats be
we are obviously certainly no further down the road to a f fiscal cliff deal. what's the latest and is this posturing, kelly, or is this real? i mean, is this disagreement about kind of laying out the stakes of where everybody stands and what they're willing to give or is it a possibility that we don't get a deal? >> reporter: well, you do hear rumblings, chris, about no deal. but at the same time people are saying there's still some negotiating time left and a bit of optimism. when you...
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. >> the tailgating outside fiscal cliff deals is incredible. >> and the sad part, for the american people who are watching from the outside, is they don't realize how much of this theater getting to the deal. we know we have to have -- boehner's going to have to talk tough because it seem likes he's holding firm and the white house is holding firm and the left groups are going to flip and right groups are going to flip and it's going to be this dance, and then we'll get to a deal somehow. if you're saying okay, am i -- are my taxes going up on the 1st or not? >> they are. >> they are, one way or the other. people in the country the way they pay for christmas, focus groups heard this over and over, take out a loan to buy presents, against what they think they'll get back in tax returns to pay back that loan. for those people, all of this dance, we joke, and it is funny and ridiculously childish and high school, maybe junior high, it's scary for people on outside saying -- >> the personal approval rating is 9%, up to 11% now. >> let's also keep in mind, optics are part of this. person who h
. >> the tailgating outside fiscal cliff deals is incredible. >> and the sad part, for the american people who are watching from the outside, is they don't realize how much of this theater getting to the deal. we know we have to have -- boehner's going to have to talk tough because it seem likes he's holding firm and the white house is holding firm and the left groups are going to flip and right groups are going to flip and it's going to be this dance, and then we'll get to a deal...
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cliff deal this morning. this is what house speaker john boehner said about the state of the negotiations. take a listen. >> i think they're -- they won the election, they must have forgotten the republicans continue to hold the majority in the house. but you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is -- roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground and we need to find it quickly. >> governor, are they going to be able to find that common ground quickly? >> yeah, i think they are. you know i have to laugh. in the first term, the president was criticized by his base for giving in too quickly or too easily. this is a negotiation. and in the negotiation, you don't put on the table initially where you want to wind up. you put out what's your bargaining position and both sides have to understand that. but what i do think is important, is both sides, and not just the president, but our democrats in the congress as well. have to understand both sides have to understand what the other side needs to d
cliff deal this morning. this is what house speaker john boehner said about the state of the negotiations. take a listen. >> i think they're -- they won the election, they must have forgotten the republicans continue to hold the majority in the house. but you know, the president's idea of a negotiation is -- roll over and do what i ask. we need to find common ground and we need to find it quickly. >> governor, are they going to be able to find that common ground quickly? >>...
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. >> that's the man tapped to be the gop's point person to work out a fiscal cliff deal with democrats and to get his republican colleagues to support it. what of the number two, house majority leader eric cantor. >> we don't understand why raising tax rates is the solution if you want to see people get back to work. >> here's the number three, house republican whip kevin mccarthy. >> if he wants revenues, we're not saying no to revenues. what we're saying is, you don't get that by raising the tax rates. you get that by loopholes. >> yes. loopholes. you may remember them from the presidential campaign. and what of them? politico's headline today, tax loopholes alone cannot solve fiscal cliff. the article begins raise revenues and reform the tax code, easy, eliminate all the tax loopholes, right? good luck with that. as someone else might say -- >> the math tends not to work. >> as the two parties return to the table next week a "usa today" gallup poll suggests the public trusts president obama more than republicans to negotiate in good faith. 65% believe obama will make a sincere effor
. >> that's the man tapped to be the gop's point person to work out a fiscal cliff deal with democrats and to get his republican colleagues to support it. what of the number two, house majority leader eric cantor. >> we don't understand why raising tax rates is the solution if you want to see people get back to work. >> here's the number three, house republican whip kevin mccarthy. >> if he wants revenues, we're not saying no to revenues. what we're saying is, you don't...
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cliff deal. grover, the first question i have for you is this, your pledge, the pledge that many republicans have signed on to, opposes any and all efforts to increase marginal income tax rates and opposes any net reduction or elimination of deductions and credits unless matched for dollar by further reducing tax rates. closing loopholes and ending deductions would seem to increase the tax burden that americans are paying to the federal government. given that, do you support the proposal put forward by john boehner? >> well, because the proposal is significantly amorphous, you could get those revenues through economic growth and we don't really have things nailed down, i don't want to talk about a hypothetical, but there is a danger that when you put revenues on the table, even revenues through economic growth, if you grew at 4% a year, reagan levels, instead of 2%, french levels or obama levels, you would net $5 trillion in additional revenue to the government, you could pay down all of obama's
cliff deal. grover, the first question i have for you is this, your pledge, the pledge that many republicans have signed on to, opposes any and all efforts to increase marginal income tax rates and opposes any net reduction or elimination of deductions and credits unless matched for dollar by further reducing tax rates. closing loopholes and ending deductions would seem to increase the tax burden that americans are paying to the federal government. given that, do you support the proposal put...
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first, though, with just over three weeks left to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff. lawmakers from both sides hit the sunday shows to late out the latest battle lines in the fight. on "meet the press," the number three house republican reiterated that any new revenues should come from closing loopholes, not raising tax rates. >> the president wants the rates to go up, that doesn't solve the problem. if the president is asking for higher rates, he's asking for more revenue. most economists agree the best way to get that is through closing special loopholes. >> on the same program, number two senate democrat, dick durbin declared that if the country does go over the fiscal cliff, there's only one party to blame -- republicans. >> i can tell you i don't want to do it, the president doesn't want to do it but we need to solve the problem, we cannot allow the reckless position to drive this economy into another recession. a recession which the republicans will own. >> joining me from the white house, nbc's mike viquiera. mike, it sounds like the same old-same old. any new
first, though, with just over three weeks left to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff. lawmakers from both sides hit the sunday shows to late out the latest battle lines in the fight. on "meet the press," the number three house republican reiterated that any new revenues should come from closing loopholes, not raising tax rates. >> the president wants the rates to go up, that doesn't solve the problem. if the president is asking for higher rates, he's asking for more revenue. most...
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so he is saying, ok, by the end of this year, to get a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff, let rates go up for top earners. and then i'm willing to be flexible and revisit the changes to medicare and social security. and also i'm willing to bring those rates back down to somewhere in between the 35% where they are now and the 39.6% that that they would go up to. >> is the feeling in the white house, sure, we'll do that because republicans will get the blame? the pugh survey came out indicating who would get the blame if you do go over the cliff. squarely against the republicans. they would more likely get the blame. that's what you heard as bob pointed out from senator durbin as well, that they would own the recession that would follow. >> i don't know how that ends up playing out. but i think when you talk about the feeling at the white house, there's a palpable difference now compared to 2011, the summer of 2011. they are so much cockier right now at the white house than they were a year and a half ago when they were doing this. they really believe they have set out, we're not going to n
so he is saying, ok, by the end of this year, to get a deal to avoid the fiscal cliff, let rates go up for top earners. and then i'm willing to be flexible and revisit the changes to medicare and social security. and also i'm willing to bring those rates back down to somewhere in between the 35% where they are now and the 39.6% that that they would go up to. >> is the feeling in the white house, sure, we'll do that because republicans will get the blame? the pugh survey came out...
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is the legacy question enough to move boehner and obama forward on a fiscal cliff deal? >> crossed fingers. i hope so. short enough? >> boehner wants to keep his job as speaker so he has to deal with his caucus. and whether or not his caucus will be going -- ready to go along with a significant amount of compromise, obviously, you know, remains to be seen. >> i think politically they saw what happened 2 1/2 weeks ago. i think they'll be in a mood to compromise. >> let's go around the table, bob. start it off. what are you thankful for on this thafg day? >> i'm thankful i still have some twinkies in the house. thankful, truthfully, the economy is getting better so my daugter who just graduated from college may be able to work. >> thankful for my family. it's a family affair in my house. my husband, john liebowitz, at night he's been a cranberry sauce-making maniac. so this is for you. >> oh, thank you is so much. >> happy thanksgiving. >> liebowitz cranberry sauce. >> thankful for my family, at home and extended and a country in which we have talk about our differences. >
is the legacy question enough to move boehner and obama forward on a fiscal cliff deal? >> crossed fingers. i hope so. short enough? >> boehner wants to keep his job as speaker so he has to deal with his caucus. and whether or not his caucus will be going -- ready to go along with a significant amount of compromise, obviously, you know, remains to be seen. >> i think politically they saw what happened 2 1/2 weeks ago. i think they'll be in a mood to compromise. >> let's...
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democrats say if they don't get it, they'll let the economy go over the so-call fiscal cliff. >> if we can't get a good deal, a balanced deal that calls on the wheealthy to pay their fair share, i will absolutely be talking about it next year. i think the party and the american people will support that. >> my colleague, the great kelly o'donnell, congressional correspondent joins me now. kelly, it seems like that democrats are digging in much like republicans did during the debt limit deal, saying they have the cards here, what are you hearing on the hill and what's going to be their plan. >> good morning, luke, we have our hands full up here, don't we? it seems the big bargaining chip this summer is going to be the so-called fiscal cliff and what happens to tax cuts, you heard patty murray there, she was in charge of trying to keep democrats in control of the senate when the election comes, there is a big fight looming and democrats have seen the idea of middle income tax breaks, the same thing that people are paying now continues into the new year. we're hearing the president say tha
democrats say if they don't get it, they'll let the economy go over the so-call fiscal cliff. >> if we can't get a good deal, a balanced deal that calls on the wheealthy to pay their fair share, i will absolutely be talking about it next year. i think the party and the american people will support that. >> my colleague, the great kelly o'donnell, congressional correspondent joins me now. kelly, it seems like that democrats are digging in much like republicans did during the debt...
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the fiscal cliff. you can't deal with the debt and the deficit without going into the health care programs that are obviously a big part of the affordable care act. even the president has said it's going to need to be dealt with. we need a serious debate between these two candidates about a range of issues particularly related to debt and deficit. i think again, no matter what the outcome of the election, the presidential and congressional, you are going to have to reopen a lot of the issues that are tied up here, if you're going to do serious deficit reduction which we must do in january and february. >> i want to open this up to the panel. chris, you already started to answer the question. >> i don't think we need serious deficit reduction in january and february just as a substantive matter. i think that would be disastrous and even mitt romney said essentially as much in an interview with mark halperin which is a really good interview and got mitt romney -- didn't get mitt romney to say, we can't d
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boehner's plan b gimmick failed big time last night at this point a fiscal cliff deal with boehner's members would probably require divine intervention. >> how we get there, god only knows. but all i've done is -- eric and i and our team here are committed to working with our colleagues on both sides of the aisle, both sides of the capitol and the white house to address it. >> after a day with dealing with humiliation, boehner hit the gavel and sent his members home for the holidays. there will be no deal this weekend. then boehner took the walk of shame out of the capitol. it's unclear whether he will be the speaker in the new year. it was the same sad walk many house members took last night when they couldn't get their own folks to vote on boehner's plan b. republican leaders can't strike a deal with their own members. how will they strike one with the president of the united states? boehner was scrambling for excuses today. >> you know, one of my colleagues the other night had an analogy of 100 people drowning in a pool and that he was a lifeguard. and because he couldn't save any
boehner's plan b gimmick failed big time last night at this point a fiscal cliff deal with boehner's members would probably require divine intervention. >> how we get there, god only knows. but all i've done is -- eric and i and our team here are committed to working with our colleagues on both sides of the aisle, both sides of the capitol and the white house to address it. >> after a day with dealing with humiliation, boehner hit the gavel and sent his members home for the...
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so-called fiscal cliff. despite optimism from both sides, they remain far apart on what to do about revenues with the white house saying the bush era tax rates should expire and republicans insisting any new revenues come from closing loopholes in the tax code. kristen welker joining us from the white house. he said the talks said to be stalled. what is the white house saying? >> reporter: they certainly know this is going to be a tough slog. certainly you had this sort of sense of bipartisanship after the leaders came to the white house. it seems as though that has gone awe with democrats digging in their heels on the issue of entit entitle. s and republicans on taxes. congress talking about some types of compromises, one that would include rolling back tax breaks for big corporations and wealthy americans as you just talked about. another one would potentially roll back the bush era tax cuts but instead of allowing rates to go back up to the clinton levels of 39%, maybe they would go back to 37%. these are
so-called fiscal cliff. despite optimism from both sides, they remain far apart on what to do about revenues with the white house saying the bush era tax rates should expire and republicans insisting any new revenues come from closing loopholes in the tax code. kristen welker joining us from the white house. he said the talks said to be stalled. what is the white house saying? >> reporter: they certainly know this is going to be a tough slog. certainly you had this sort of sense of...
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the fiscal cliff. 48% of those polled say a deal is not likely. that optimism is waning, though when the poll was done earlier this month, 59% said a deal was likely. >>> former braves great andruw jones is free on a $2,500 bond this morning after being arrested outside of atlanta. he was arrested on a battery charge. the gwinnett county detention center said there was a domestic dispute between he and his life. >>> the number of extremely obese preschoolers has dropped slightly over the last decade, according to the centerses for disease control and prevention. researchers called the decline modest but say it's encouraging. the cdc adds that part of the decrease could be attributed to awareness campaigns that encourage physical activity and healthy eating. >>> before heading back to d.c. to try to avoid heading off the fiscal cliff, president obama and the first lady kept up a christmas tradition. they visited marines at a base in hawaii thanking them for their service. mrs. obama and their daughters, by the way, won't cut short their vacation. t
the fiscal cliff. 48% of those polled say a deal is not likely. that optimism is waning, though when the poll was done earlier this month, 59% said a deal was likely. >>> former braves great andruw jones is free on a $2,500 bond this morning after being arrested outside of atlanta. he was arrested on a battery charge. the gwinnett county detention center said there was a domestic dispute between he and his life. >>> the number of extremely obese preschoolers has dropped...
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, the impact is as unlikely as immediate as the term "fiscal cliff" seems to imply. the expiration of the tax cuts with a $2200 average tax high. the payroll tax cut would also expire meaning another $40 a paycheck and long-term unemployment benefits would end for 2 million americans. while these elements could have a recession-inducing effect, they could undo those measures shortly after the first of the year. estimations are if we do go over the cliff it would be the third quarter which the recession may hit. when be look at the issue of a -- the markets, however, may feel the brunt of the fiscal cliff fallout. the dow fell on friday after the deal failed the night before. last week fitch warned it may downgrade the u.s. credit rating if congress cannot reach a deal. some lawmakers are angling for the best political outcountry. >> when i listen to the president, i think he's eager to go over the cliff for political purposes. he gets all this additional tax revenue for new programs, gets to cut the military which democrats have been calling for for years, and he get
, the impact is as unlikely as immediate as the term "fiscal cliff" seems to imply. the expiration of the tax cuts with a $2200 average tax high. the payroll tax cut would also expire meaning another $40 a paycheck and long-term unemployment benefits would end for 2 million americans. while these elements could have a recession-inducing effect, they could undo those measures shortly after the first of the year. estimations are if we do go over the cliff it would be the third quarter...
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the deal to stop us from going over the fiscal cliff. speaker boehner and the preside president at the white house. now, the president supports raising taxes on people earning more than $400,000 a year. i want to bring in "washington post" columnist ruth marcus and the national journalist chris freisz. there's a lot owing on, assault weapons ban and the gun show loophole. do you think they're
the deal to stop us from going over the fiscal cliff. speaker boehner and the preside president at the white house. now, the president supports raising taxes on people earning more than $400,000 a year. i want to bring in "washington post" columnist ruth marcus and the national journalist chris freisz. there's a lot owing on, assault weapons ban and the gun show loophole. do you think they're
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fiscal cliff? both sides have given in on some big key points, but is it enough to get it over the goal line? and the senate loses its most senior member. daniel inouye, who helped hawaii become a state and served that state for more than a half a century in congress. good morning from washington. it's tuesday, december 18, 2012. president obama has told his administration to start looking for ways the country can respond to the tragedy in newtown. we'll be joined by vice president biden yesterday afternoon, the president talk with top members of his team including the vice president. arne duncan, attorney general larry holder and kathleen sa beale ya. this morning, children go back to school for the first time since last week's tragedy. newtown police as well as state troopers are expected to be on-site when schools open two hours later than unusual. sandy hook elementary, though, will remain closed. on monday, moving trucks arrived at the school to transport furniture to chalk hill school in the
fiscal cliff? both sides have given in on some big key points, but is it enough to get it over the goal line? and the senate loses its most senior member. daniel inouye, who helped hawaii become a state and served that state for more than a half a century in congress. good morning from washington. it's tuesday, december 18, 2012. president obama has told his administration to start looking for ways the country can respond to the tragedy in newtown. we'll be joined by vice president biden...